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Feb. 19th, 2005 06:11 am
[identity profile] x-beast.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] xp_journal
I made it, I believe, quite clear that Amanda was forbidden to use her healing magics save at great need, for the sake of her health. Great magic puts a great strain on her body, and could do permanent damage. Apparently, however, I failed to emphasize this enough.

Therefore, I will make myself very clear indeed. Nobody, NOBODY, is to ask Amanda to perform any act of magic for them, for any reason whatsoever. Not a finding spell, not a charm, not the levitation of a pencil. Since clearly concern for her health is not a sufficient deterrent, perhaps the prospect of personal punishment will do the job.

This subject is not open to debate. Nobody is to take this up with Amanda, or in any way make her feel guilty for not being available to be taken advantage of. I trust that this is sufficiently clear to everyone.

Date: 2005-02-20 12:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-polarisstar.livejournal.com
There is rather a difference between a nose bleed and near death. It is much the same as scratching the paint on a car and ripping out the engine. You /can/ do it but it is largely considered a bad idea for the car. Which is, I suspect, what Hank is getting at here.

In any case, we listen to the med people when they tell us health things. Because they are the doctor people and have scary needles of doom and machines that go ping.

Date: 2005-02-20 12:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-forge.livejournal.com
But you see, Dr. McCoy's already admitted to not knowing the first thing about how Amanda's power works. BECAUSE he's a doctor. That comes with a rather stringent mode of thinking, and not a lot of room to accept new paradigms. Heck, if it weren't for my power, I wouldn't have the first CLUE how Amanda's magic works.

But it's her power. It's who she is. Telling her not to use it is no different than saying "Just stop being a dirty mutie". You have an ability, you use it. Anything else makes you just human.

Date: 2005-02-20 12:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-polarisstar.livejournal.com
He knows she can hurt herself by over-doing it. I'm not saying his 'no magic period exclamation point end of sentence' policy wasn't an overreaction but it was the reaction that a medical professional should have about his patient. If you see using magic follows to vast hurting then you stop what you think is the cause. He should have talked to Amanda first, and to her magic teacher but it wasn't as entirely out of line as it's being painted.

But it's her power. It's who she is. Telling her not to use it is no different than saying "Just stop being a dirty mutie". You have an ability, you use it. Anything else makes you just human.

I have to disagree with you on that. In fact, I have to violently disagree. My power is most certainly not who I am nor do I think that is true of any mutant. Defining yourself by a single aspect of your life is short-sighted and, in my opinion, dangerous. I will not be cast as simply 'a mutant' anymore than I will permit being cast as simply 'a cook' or 'a woman'. Doing so is insulting. I am more than the sum of my parts.

Furthermore, there is nothing 'just' about being human.

Date: 2005-02-20 12:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-forge.livejournal.com
Furthermore, there is nothing 'just' about being human.

I beg to disagree. As mutants, we have abilities and capabilities that humans quite simply do not. This isn't a statement of superiority, it's simply one of fact. To deny or not use those abilities for ANY reason whatsoever lessens you from what you truly are.

I suppose it's your choice what you want to identify yourself by. If you want to deny that your power is part of what defines you and makes you unique, by all means. People live in denial all the time.

Date: 2005-02-20 01:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-polarisstar.livejournal.com
Part of what makes me who I am. But only part. Not even the most important part, if any part can be said to be the most important.

I want to identify myself by being, and I know this sounds shocking and radical, myself. Not the green hair, not the parlor tricks with spoons, not the cooking or the philosophy or geophysics or even my relationship to Alex.

Yes, I can do things most people can't. I can do lots of things that you can't. Should I consider you 'just' a human because you don't have the same mutatation as I do? Should I think you're 'just' a child because I'm a few years older? Should I think I'm 'just' adopted because my mother didn't carry me for nine months?

We are not better. We have different abilities but that doesn't make us better. If we were just our mutations, we would not be anything to shout about. We are human. Trying to define us elsewise is bigotry.

Date: 2005-02-20 01:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-forge.livejournal.com
From a biological standpoint, a mutant saying "we are human" is the same as a human saying "we are Neanderthal". It's a simple statement of fact. If someone wants to use that to assume they're somehow "better" - that's their call.

Date: 2005-02-20 01:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-kitten.livejournal.com
Speciation has not occured, Forge. The so-called "homo superior" can still interbreed with "homo sapiens", therefor we are still human. Picked up at least that much in bio, thank you very much.

Date: 2005-02-20 01:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-forge.livejournal.com
And if you're going to pretend that line of "everyone's equal because we're all born human", I may have to rethink this bit that everyone's telling me about you being one of the smart ones.

But we've had this particular discussion before, that seemed to go nowhere.

Date: 2005-02-20 01:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-kitten.livejournal.com
I may have to rethink this bit that everyone's telling me about you being one of the smart ones.

Bite. Me.

Date: 2005-02-20 01:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-polarisstar.livejournal.com
Repeat after me. "Equality does not mean sameness."

Were we to have a cooking contest, you would lose. In the kitchen, we are not equals.

Were we to both design a machine to chop wood (just go with it), I would lose. In mechanical matters, we are not equal.

If either of us entered a poetry contest against Maya Angelou, she'd wipe the floor with us and giggle. Because in literature, we three are not equal.

Overall however, despite what I can do and what you can do, we are equal. Because sameness is not required for equality.

Date: 2005-02-20 01:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-polarisstar.livejournal.com
Correct me if I'm wrong (I know you would have anyway but hey) but a homo sapiens sapiens could not breed with a homo neanderthalensis and produce a fertile offspring. Which is not true of a human with the x-gene and a human without it. In reality the closer analogy would be a human with Down's Syndrome and one without, yes?

And regardless, that line of thought leads to discrimination, segregation, bigotry and eventually devaluation of the value of others.

Date: 2005-02-20 01:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-forge.livejournal.com
So does restricting someone's natural ability because you don't trust them with it.

Date: 2005-02-20 01:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-polarisstar.livejournal.com
Christ almighty, she's not being persecuted. I've had the docs tell me the same damn thing. As have my best friend and not a few others around here. That's why we have doctors. To beat us over the head with mallets when we try to overdo it and to beat others off when we think we're some kind of superheroes.

Date: 2005-02-20 12:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-kitten.livejournal.com
My power is most certainly not who I am nor do I think that is true of any mutant

Thank you. I've been trying to make this point for a while, but he won't listen to me.

Date: 2005-02-20 01:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-polarisstar.livejournal.com
I understand where it comes from. I've been there myself though never about being a mutant. It just upsets me because what I used to do it about was my weight. So obviously, it hits a nerve when I see it done elsewhere.

Date: 2005-02-20 01:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-kitten.livejournal.com
-nod-

I just think it's the starting point to a lot of more dangerous thoughts. Dangerous for the thinker, and others. -sigh-

Date: 2005-02-20 01:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-polarisstar.livejournal.com
It is that too. And I can think of one example of how dangerous that invaded the mansion not even two years ago.

Date: 2005-02-20 01:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-polarisstar.livejournal.com
I'm slightly bitter about that one too. Not just for all the usual reasons but hell, I had 'just humans' camped out on my lawn claiming I was the daughter of the crazy man with the funny hat. Bigotry in action, folks. Ain't life grand?

Agh. I think I need to chop something into very tiny pieces.

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Date: 2005-02-20 12:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-forge.livejournal.com
What you mean to say is that you would advise me against it, and trust in my own judgement when it comes to my own abilities. And I'm sure that you mean the same were it to apply to Amanda.

If Kyle asks me "Hey, can you make me something so my toes don't tear up the carpet?" - I'm going to help him. Just as I know to say no if he asks "Hey, make me an electro-death ray so I can go wreak havoc on the populace of Salem Center". Yes, Amanda may choose to overextend herself from time to time helping out her people. And if that's too much on anyone's conscience, let it be between them. I'm sure Amanda was forthcoming with Jay about the risks of what he asked for - I happen to know them quite well - and any repercussions should be between them, if you ask me.

Date: 2005-02-20 01:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-skin.livejournal.com
Small point. Amanda's currently on a "no unnecessary magic" regime, for herself. Now, if you're banning her from helping others - and as she's said, how's she supposed to know to offer, if people aren't allowed to ask - you really are kind of banning her from doing magic mostly or at all.

Also. There's a difference between asking her once to do something and backing off if she seems not to want to, even if she doesn't actually say no, and pressuring her.

Date: 2005-02-20 01:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-skin.livejournal.com
No, see, you didn't tell us not to make demands of her. You said we're not allowed to ask her to use even the smallest amount of magic. Again, there's a difference.

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